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If u saw Roosevelt Jones last night for Butler, that is the type of game u will see from Wayne Selden at Kansas. Physically imposing and skilled. Better shooter than Jones. Better athlete as well.
Selden has 7 pts, 2 rebs, 1 block, 1 assist and 1 turnover at half. Tilton up 28-27.
Selden will move up in the rankings when I adjust them this week. Tough to find a weakness in his game.
Beyond his imposing physique and high skill level, Selden plays hard and intelligently.
Selden's shot looks good. 2 threes in second half. 2-4 for the game from behind the arc. Close misses.
Great stuff, Jerry. Thanks.
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Selden finished with 24 pts on 10-18 shooting, 2-5 from three, 2-6 from line, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 assist, 2 turnovers. Better passer than numbers show. 2-6 from line a concern but assumed anomaly. Tilton won 71-67 over Vermont Academy
Thanks for the updates Jerry. I was a big fan of Roosevelt Jones when I saw him play for the STL Eagles.
Jerry, do you see Wayne as a one year type of player and person or should we expect multiple years from him? I realize the depth of the 2013 class (and, therefore, the 2014 draft) likely affects this significantly, but I just can't see him leaving after one because of all the other one-and-dones likely to stay ahead if him in draft projections.
I don't think there is any way to judge if Wayne will be one and done at this point. Specifically, I remember these talks about Ben this summer, and the consensus for those involved were that Ben lacked the consistency and ball handling to be one and done.
I both agree and disagree. :) we are 15 months from Wayne even having that decision, so it's not like there isn't room for that to change. I was more asking from talent comparison / development standpoint as well as a personality standpoint. On Ben, we had a lot of circumstantial evidence that indicated a short career in crimson and blue, though I was admittedly one of the skeptics because no one had seen him play in more than a year, and he hadn't even played in a game in that long. It would be like asking if a player was going to leave after his sophomore year and fresh,en weren't eligible - it's almost impossible to know.
Additionally, the 2013 NBA Draft is going to be exceptionally weak, while the 2014 NBA Draft is going to be exceptionally strong (at least based on potential). Selden is likely going to remain behind the Harrisin twins, Randle, Parker, Wiggins, Gordon, and Walker just off the top of my head both in recruiting lists and in NBA Draft projections, which makes his ceiling the second half of the lottery, which doesn't seem like a great proposition.
Jerry do you think Wayne could play the point at KU?
This makes me feel better about next year with a whole new squad and no go to guy. Something tells me that Selden will be the rock of next year's team much like Smart on OSU.
I expect that we'll see more of Wayne off the ball than on it at KU, at least in year one. He seems to be more Mario Chalmers than Sherron Collins (though, he's more prepared to get into the now than Chalmers ever was really). I just don't think he's going to be great, at least not right off the bat, initiating offense. I expect Mason, Tharpe, and Frankamp to be used more as the "on ball" guard in the system the Self runs.
Not one and done. Not a for sure NBAer for that matter. Will be a great college player and odds are in favor of being a NBA player.
He can play some point. Best as a secondary ball handler from 2 or 3. But say he is in there w Frankamp. Selden will have a better matchup to be the primary ball handler than will Frankamp will have.
This is exactly why I think Frank Mason will play, and play a lot, next year. This exact statement could be made for ALL of the other smalls likely to be on the roster: Tharpe, Frankamp, Greene, Selden, and even Adams. Every single one of them is more Mario Chalmers (or Elijah Johnson, if you will) than Russell Robinson or even Sherron Collins. They're all capable of spelling the point in small doses, but none of them is a great "lead guard" to initiate the offense for 30+ minutes every night. A Russell Robinson / Frank Mason type player is exactly what this year's team is missing.
I love your unwavering optimism on Mason, and I hope you're right, but I just haven't fully bought in yet. He'll have every chance I'm sure on next years team to grab that role.
See, it's not just unwavering optimism on Mason, it's partly roster evaluation. The problem with our strategy of stacking up interchangeable "combo" guards is that every guard (player, really) has natural tendencies. Some are scorers, some are initiators, some are drivers, etc. I think we would all agree that this year's roster lacks someone who is very good at initiating the offense and / or getting into the lane. So, for 2013-2014, that leave us the options of 1) playing another year without a "lead" guard, 2) developing someone off the current roster into that role, or 3) bringing in someone capable of playing that role.
The first option is most unpalatable to fans or the staff. Just read comments here or on other boards or listen to the staff talk about the ball "sticking" or the offense struggling. Heck, we've given up more double-digit runs against us this year than I can remember in the first 8 years of the Self era combined, and that's primarily not because of our defense (which is great usually and above average on a bad day), it's because we can't initiate offense.
The second option is intriguing, but we've waited four years for Elijah Johnson to develop into that, and what reason do we have to believe that less heralded, less talented players also not known for that ability in Tharpe, Adams, or anyone else on the current bench is going to make the leap that the far more talented Johnson failed to make? Maybe I'm wrong, but the only option we haven't seen is Adams, and I have to think that Bill Self would give him a chance in a game to supplant Tharpe if he had shown even flashes of having the ability to run an offense in practice.
That leaves us with option three: bringing someone in who has that capability. Now, the staff is obviously trying to land a premier point guard in the 2014 class, but they've basically stopped recruiting the leftover dregs from 2013, so let's assume that our incoming perimeter players are Selden, Frankamp, Greene, and Frank Mason. The only one who has shown a consistent ability to play on the ball and initiate offense in his prep career is Mason. From Jerry, above, on Selden: "Best as a secondary ball handler from 2 or 3. But say he is in there w Frankamp. Selden will have a better matchup to be the primary ball handler than will Frankamp will have." From Jerry the thread on Brannen Greene: "Great shooter can create some for himself, but not the best ball handler."
Now, on Mason:
ESPN: "Mason is a very confident true point guard. He is a true floor general that can run the team. He pushes that ball and can shoot the 3 with deep range."
Eric Bossi: ""He's a tough kid. He's an off-the-dribble attacker."
Jerry: "For starters, you will be hard pressed to find a better competitor than Frank Mason. He is a winner. One of those types who can will his team to victory. Part of that is because he is one of the best on the ball defenders I've scouted. Physical, quick, aggressive and great anticipation skills. Can guard multiple positions.
"Mason will be on the court for these reasons along with the fact that he has a feel for passing the ball and scoring and generally avoids negative plays. "
I'm not suggesting that Mason is going to be an all conference performer or anything like that, I'm just saying that at this point he brings something to the table that we don't have on the current roster OR signed in anyone else next year: the ability to run a team and initiate an offense, and we've seen how wonderfully our offense runs without a "lead" guard, even in our combo system.
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