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Explain it to me. Curry is by far the best player on that team. Plumlee is a decent athlete with size but does nothing for me as far as skill.
Since there are no clear cut top flight #1 guys standing out... they have to give it to a guy from Duke... I think that's in their contract somewhere
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I get that he has the stats. He just seems to me to be a guy that basically finishes what others create. Curry is the dangerous one on that team.
I agree that Curry scares me more as a scorer, but Plumlee is averaging 19.5 and 11.6 in raw stats and 121.8 ORtg and 26.3 DR%, while also posting a superior ARate to that of Curry. Would I vote for him for NPOY? Probably not, but it's not egregious - he's having a great statistical year in both raw numbers and rate statistics.
I personally wouldn't vote for Plumlee as NPOY, but I do get the argument. His numbers are very similar to what Thomas Robinson's were last year and Duke has 3 of the best wins of the year so far and are the #1 team in the nation. I think over time his numbers will come down due to his lack of a polished skill set, but it's hard to deny that his raw numbers put him in the NPOY conversation.
Personally, I'd have Trey Burke as my NPOY. He's averaging almost 18 points a game while dishing out 7.4 assists a game for an undefeated Michigan squad.
TRob is the key for me. I have been impressed with Plumlee since he surprised me, in Maui, by not backing off TRob after feeling TRob's superior strength, speed, and power. He seemed to enjoy the challenge. SInce, I've noticed his great speed (quickness) and quick decisionmaking for a true big. A poor man's Walton, if anyone here remembers that Bill in college redefined how bigs play. So I have come to like Plumlee despite his jersey.
I don't think he is a lousy player by any means but when I watch I just don't see him doing things that make me say "Wow, look at that kid dominate the game". What I see is a big guy who gets a lot of rebounds (which is to his credit) mostly because he is the only guy on the Duke team who does rebound. Duke overall is a pretty poor rebounding team so I guess it cuts both ways. They would be screwed without him but he has not exactly lifted their rebounding to a high level either. T Rob was the number 1 defensive rebound guy in the nation last year by rate and KU was solid on the glass. Plumlee is very good at 27th but is a good 5% behind TRob.
More than that what made KU go last year in my view was TRob's rebounding and ability to score in the paint. That opened things up for a poor shooting team (149th from 3) to use Taylor to his fullest ability driving the ball.
When I look at Duke, both on the floor and on paper, what makes them go is their ability to shoot the three (3rd nationally) and to not turn the ball over and he really does not contribute to that.
Last year with Anthony Davis I got the logic. Kentucky was a naturally talented on offense and less so on defense. They were not great pressuring the ball and actually were only decent at keeping people off the offensive glass. What made their defense so good that they could win a title was that Davis blocked a ton of shots and people could not score in the paint because of it. There was a clear line for me to draw that year.
2011 with Fredette, take him out and BYU was garbage. He took 38% of the shots when on the floor.
2010 with Turner again I get it. He took 30% of the shots when on the floor and made that team go.
Plumlee is taking 22% of the shots when he is on the floor. He just does not strike me as a POY type guy really. A POY guy should be at least the most important player on his team and if Plumlee is it seems he only is because Duke has nothing else at all in the post.
BigJ, I, for the most part, agree with you. I think a large function of why Plumlee is rated so highly is due to Duke's early season success. They got 3 high quality wins before most other teams had 1. As a result, a lot of national guys took notice and basically decided to make Plumlee the frontrunner for NPOY. I think once Duke struggles, as they have been recently with their less than impressive wins over Santa Clara and Davidson, the shine will come off Plumlee a bit. I honestly don't think, in the end, that Plumlee wins NPOY for the exact reasons you stated, he doesn't wow you with any particular part of his skill set.
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