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903 wins for second all time. 1 championship. 3 Final Fours. 35 seasons at Syracuse.
Boeheim has guided the Orange to nine Big East regular season championships, five Big East Tournament championships, and 28 NCAA Tournament appearances, including three appearances in the national title game. In those games, the Orange lost to Indiana in 1987 and Kentucky in 1996 before defeating Kansas in 2003.
I counted 7 seasons where he didn't make the NCAA tournament (one due to probation sanctions).
I feel like we've had this conversation before, but couldn't find it on the site. Is he a great coach or just a very good coach who's been around a really long time? I have to admit, I've never thought of him as all that special. He's had a few great seasons and been consistently solid. That doesn't add up to great to me. Perhaps I just haven't had enough Syracuse-exposure. His whining about expanding the tournment to 128 always rings in my ears and I always expect lots of early wins from him because he never leaves home. Am I wrong?
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He can play the cry baby part better than most coaches, one of the best ref whiners in college basketball. Outside of that he's just been around long enough to show a lot of wins.
I don't think he's a good coach, what he has got is longevity.
In the same time frame, we've won 938 games and been to 8 Final Fours with two National Championships, despite that starting with the bad years of Ted Owens AND having changed coaches three times (Owens->Brown->Williams->Self). I would say Boeheim is a very good coach, but greatness is something more than that to me.
I would agree on the longevity angle. He is a good coach who has been around for a long time. He tended to get more attention that deserved because so much media for sports comes out of Cuse. He SOS is so crappy I never feel like I can get a read on his teams early in the year. Even places that adjust for SOS I think have trouble adjusting for extremely weak SOS like the one Cuse played this year. All systems like that break down at the extreme edges to some degree and it seems like Cuse has this happen many years. They look all world then just look ok when conference play rolls around.
You have to give it up to a guy who can sustain success for that length of time. In my mind, that alone makes him a great coach. For a program to be that good for that period of time is pretty darn impressive. Now, do I think he's a great bench coach? I would say that he's slightly above average, but how many coaches can we say that about? I would say most coaches are average. There just aren't a lot of Izzo's and Self's out there.
I'm far from a Syracuse fan, but as a former coach I marvel at what he's been able to accomplish. You have to give it up to the man.
I guess it's a different definition of great. He deserves credit for long term, solid performance. He's accomplished a ton and is a legitimate hall of famer. I'm thinking of "great" as a little bit higher of a standard. If Self retired tomorrow, I wouldn't put him at the all time great level either. Another NC, a couple more Final Fours, and a bunch more solid years, yes, but not yet. Roy has earned the label with a couple NCs, 7-8 Final Fours, and a bunch of solid years even if we like to be pretty critical of him around here, and even if we wouldn't come close to trading Self for him. For Boeheim, making the tournament at an 80% clip, making a final four once every 11-12 years, and 3 plus decades as a very solid coach just don't quite add up to all time great.
Looking at my wording here and in the subject line, perhaps I phrased things poorly and should differentiate "great coach" from "all time great." Perhaps Izzo and Self are great coaches. Roy has earned all time great (if arguable on a great coach). Boeheim hasn't earned either.
it's like getting a prize at the end of the year for not missing any school days. Sure he's been there, but can you count him amoung the cream of the crop? Does he deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as Roy Williams, Bill Self, Mike Kryz%$##$%sky, Izzo?
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He's not in the top five right now, and I'm not sure he ever would have been in the top five active coaches at any point in his career. Krzyzewski, Self, Izzo, Stevens, Calipari, Pitino, and Williams are all better, and I would say Few, Smart, Miller, Pastner, Donovan, Dixon, Wright and maybe a couple others have good arguments as well. That's just of current guys.
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