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This seems a little messed up. We'll see if the AP does better.
Oklahoma State guard Marcus Smart has joined an exclusive group of three student-athletes to be named Big 12 Player and Freshman of the Year in the same season, leading the 2013 All-Big 12 Men's Basketball awards.
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Seems reasonable. I like Withey for POY but I'm a little biased.
What do you see that's really screwy? They look pretty spot on to me...Jackson leading the league in scoring AND assists and not making first team is kinda nuts, but it's not like he played for a top 4 team either. I think McLemore or Withey wins player of the year if we go 16-2 like we should have, but Ben especially disappeared at key moments for us.
Very true statement. If KU doesn't fall to TCU and Baylor and wins this conference by a couple of games a Jayhawk walks home with the POY. There is little doubt in my mind about that, but since KU didn't separate themselves then a player like Smart is going to take home the awards.
I think some of my reaction was heat of the moment, but I do think Withey should have won and that Smart v. McLemore should have been really close for FOY. AP matched the Smart sweep and, thinking more, the POY results make sense -- there's no way Withey and McLemore didn't split KU-leaning votes.
I don't really buy the argument that for a KU player to win, we should have distanced ourselves. Since we didn't, a guy from the 3rd place team wins. We weren't supposed to be great this season. Withey and McLemore are a huge part of why we were. Yes, it sucks that we lost at TCU and Baylor, but we still lost fewer than OSU and beat more good teams to make that happen.
Uhhh...we weren't supposed to be great? We were the unanimous pick to finish atop the standings in the poll of Big 12 coaches, and we were in the top ten of both major polls after we returned three starters from a National Runner-Up. I would think that we've slightly underperformed against preseason expectations, to be honest. Besides all that, Withey and McLemore clearly have better talent around them (even just each other, really) than Smart does. Without Smart, OSU goes, what, 9-9? Without McLemore, we go, what 12-6? Without Withey, we probably have huge problems, but I'm just saying - Smart means as much or more to a team that's play above expectations, if only slightly, while McLemore and Withey are less important individually (and almost inseparable in their "value") to a team that underplayed expectations, if only slightly. Again, I think if we win the conference by going 16-2 or even 15-3 without the TCU loss, it's a different story.
I don't know, man. Nash and Markel Brown are pretty damned talented players. Their problem is that Travis Ford is just a terrible coach. Nash pouts too much, but that kid on our team, with Self keeping him in line, would be big. I love Kevin Young's energy and enthusiasm, but Nash is simply a better ballplayer. And Brown, at least offensively and athleticism wise, is easily the equal of Elijah or Travis. They have talent.
Smart probably won this award because people see him as another of those "game changers." It certainly wasn't for his offensive prowess, because he basically has little to no outside game-his shooting percentages are pretty bad. But Withey changes the game for an opponent as much if not more than Smart does. Nobody changes how they play for Smart, but they do for Withey-most teams don't even try to get the ball down low as a part of their offense against us-they just heave up threes and hope.
Fair point on Brown and Nash. They have no post game, though, and Smart isn't efficient at all. Withey is, in fact, the most important player on our team. Most people think it's Ben, but it's really Jeff.
It could be strongly argued that Brown and Nash are having their best years because of Smart. Just sayin....
Especially Brown. Nash has always had the talent...it's always been a question of desire, not ability.
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