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I don't know if we want another 49'r cast off. especially coming off a concussion. he's been in the league 8 years and has been solid, but is he a long term solution?
The biggest problem is the year the Chiefs get the #1 draft pick it's the weakest draft in a long time. There are no viable QB options in the first round, not that I would want a QB in the first round... and the second round pick is gone in the trade for Smith.
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It will be interesting to see what they gave up, but I don't think its a bad move at all. He's a definite upgrade to what they have, and there is not a single QB worth taking #1. He may just be a stop gap for a few years, but the Chiefs have a solid core and now they can focus on strengthening that with their pick. I think this move makes them a better team without question, so yes I'm happy with it.
Edit: So they gave up the second rounder? Hmmm, that's essentially a first round pick.
This post was edited by Baumer 14 months ago
I don't like giving up the second round pick for the guy. That means there is no way KC takes a QB until at least the 4th.
One report I saw was both a second this year AND a second next year. Hopefully there was some confusion there.
The Chiefs got absolutely fleeced. San Francisco fans have to be over the moon about this. Alex Smith has a worse career QBR than Matt Cassel, with numbers similarly inflated by playing for 1.5 seasons in a perfect system for him under a great coach (Just like Cassel's season in New England).
In San Fran, the 49ers shaped their offense around his deficiencies and basically just asked him not to eff up. He did well at that with a TON of talent around him. Andy Reid coaches an entirely different style and depends greatly upon the quarterback making plays.
This is a disaster waiting to happen. Awful trade.
If it was two 2nd round picks then yes they did.
Typical Chief's luck to be awful this year when there was no clear guy to go get in the draft. They never should have attempted to turn it around the prior year. Just keep playing Palko so you could get a real QB. Cut anyone who played well and basically tank the games.
Here's what ESPN's saying:
Kansas City will trade its second-round pick in the 2013 draft -- the second selection (No. 34 overall) in the round -- as well as another conditional mid-round pick in 2014 to acquire Smith from San Francisco, a league source told ESPN.
The San Francisco 49ers have agreed to trade quarterback Alex Smith to the Kansas City Chiefs, league sources confirmed to ESPN.
I think this is an horrific deal. A single second-round pick was overpaying, to me...
Seeing the terms now I have to come back to this and agree with it even more strongly.
The 49ers fans have to be thrilled. They have few holes and a ton of picks to throw at them. They can package picks to move up and get things they really want as well with 11 freaking draft picks.
I don't see how this is much of an upgrade over Castle. Smith has been better the past 2 years but he has had a better coach and more weapons. Our 2nd round pick would have been better spent on getting the best QB available and seeing what we can develop him into. This is one of the worst years to have the number one overall pick.
This post was edited by PittsJay 14 months ago
Not inspiring a ton of confidence in the new regime.
Son of a bitch.
I didn't like getting Reid involved with the GM search. Frankly I am wary of taking on any GM that comes from a system that has always had a good QB. I think they learn all the wrong lessons there and think that they did something they didn't. I would look to get GM's out of the San Fransisco, Baltimore or Steelers. All those places do have QB's now, and importantly never stopped looking, but they learned how to build a roster that wins without having that QB and they learned how to find that QB without having to have number 1 overall picks.
I'm willing to give them a pass at this point because there just aren't many options out there right now, and they absolutely had to get somebody to play QB. I doubt they view Smith as a long term solution. Now if there is a way to trade that #1 pick (highly doubt), and pick up a second rounder in the process then kudos. Lots of things still to play out.
by 11, you clearly meant an astounding FIFTEEN (15) picks in 7 rounds.
That's a great point I'd never thought of, really. Look for GMs from the places where they've struggled to find QBs and still built great rosters. As I pointed out last month, everyone makes a big deal out of highly picked QBs, but they're almost NEVER the ones to lead teams to Super Bowl wins (only the Manning brothers have been selected first overall and won a Super Bowl in the last 12 years).
especially when it's the first pick of the second round, or like someone else said... essentially a first round pick.
plus the guy is coming off a concussion. If he gets another this year, or even next year, he's gone...
I don't even mind taking a QB first. That is smart if the talent is there.
I just think that was Pioli's biggest problem. He assumed that everything else they did was of the same or similar importance to having Tom Brady. It wasn't. Tom Brady made everything else they did work out much better. If you have Peyton Manning you don't have to have great drafts because he will turn a decent WR into a really good one. If you were the Raven's on the other hand you spent years cycling guys through and could only win if your defense was really elite or you had an elite O-line and running game.
Having a great QB just takes too much pressure off of a GM in football. Guys at those places may be good but I think a lot end up with ego's from winning 11 or 12 games a year thinking that they did it, when really all they are doing is not screwing things up too badly.
I dont know why you think he has a bad overall QB rating...outside of his first 2 yrs his rating has been solid. He was 7th overall until injured this past season and Cassgal was 32nd...Quinn was 34th..The bottomline is there are no great QB recruits out there this year. I am happy with the deal for Alex, give him a few game for crying out loud before ass clown comments. Get Luke Joeckel for the first choice...pick up Harvin off free agency and a backup QB like EJ Manuel with the later choices...
I don't think he is a terrible QB and I don't think anyone is saying that at all. But he has a pretty well established ceiling. The guy is not going to be a QB who puts the team on his back most likely. That is not a bad thing but KC is not in the same situation as say Tampa Bay was when they picked up Brad Johnson where simply competent makes them a contender for a title, or even the division. KC's defense is middle of the road at best and there is not really talent on the offensive side of the ball outside of Charles and Bowe (who is not even signed yet).
That is why the price is a major problem here. You lose a 2nd this year and a 2nd or 3rd next year. You say get Manuel. Well he is a 2nd round projection most places. Even if he were around in the 3rd can you take your top 3 assets in the draft this year and get a LT and two QB's given all the holes KC has? I don't think they can or will do it.
And they will likely have the same problem next year. You probably have to give Smith a contract this year for multiple years lest you have the situation where he walks as a free agent (or has to be tagged) when you are still giving up a draft pick for him next year. Forget dumping a 1st on a QB next year after doing that. You won't have a pick somewhere in the 2-3 range it seems like. You will still have holes to fill (because the team is hot garbage right now). So KC will be 2 or 3 years down the road before they serious can take a look at getting a real QB unless they somehow pull one out of their ass.
This is a team that has a quickly aging pass rusher in Hali. A MLB who may get old quick in Johnson. It has a fragile and small corner in Flowers (he can't say on the field) and a safety in Berry that is looking ok but certainly not worth the pick spent on him.
It needs pass rushers.
It needs basically an all new defensive line.
It needs another MLB.
It needs WR's desperately.
I don't see trading away multiple picks unless you think this guy is your guy for 5 years or so. If they believe that the only way they will compete for a division crown is if they do everything else right which is really hard to do. Reid has the chops on offense but his defense has scared the crap out of me since he was hired and he made a pretty bleh DC hire.
I hope it works out. But it is an awful big play for a guy another team gave up on halfway through the year.
We got robbed.
With all due respect, he has a worse QBR than Cassel and Cassel was...not good.
There's far more evidence suggesting Alex Smith will fail to thrive outside a Jim Harbaugh offense than there is supporting such a claim.
At least they only have him signed for one year... Ouch. They could still owe San Fran a draft pick after he's washed out. That's horrific.
He thrived in SF because of the remarkable talent they've assembled on defense - he didn't have to throw to win, he had to throw to NOT lose. This is SUCH a Chiefs move.
He'll have a new contract soon.
It will be interesting to see the length of it as I don't believe that they view Alex Smith as the long term future solution. I can see a pick like Tyler Bray in the 3rd round to be groomed for a couple years.
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